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    Re: C+P Navy Mk Iii
    From: Ken James
    Date: 2004 Mar 20, 23:41 -0600

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Joel Jacobs" 
    To: 
    Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:13 PM
    Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III
    
    
    > Hi Kieran,
    >
    > Hi Kieran, and Peter,
    >
    > I can assure you that the original Navy MK III Mod O sextants were made by
    > David White & Co, and/or Scientific Instruments, both of Milwaukee, WI.
    This
    > would be around 1974-76.  It is possible that  Lowe came into the picture
    > ten or more years later if the other two companies went out of business as
    I
    > think they did.
    >
    > Here is one of the best buys on ebay in the recent past. Unfortunately, I
    > was called away for a long distance tele, and missed out on the final
    > bidding.  I just wrote the buyer as to who the manufacturer was. BTW,
    there
    > was no Lowe making sextants when I was active in the business which as I
    > said previously ended in NOV 1978, but I was aware of the other two.
    >
    >
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3705509316&category=37971
    > &ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
    >
    > Note that this is an aluminium frame sextant just like the one that will
    > sell on ebay this week. I know I told Stacy and may have told the group,
    > that I used one when I was a DV on board the USS Caron, DD 970 for a brief
    > cruise the Summer before last. If I did tell you that, I also mentioned I
    > couldn't get any officers or quartermasters to take any sights with me.
    And
    > Stacy followed up with a directive from the Commander of the Atlantic
    Fleet
    > giving the requirements of how many celestial sights should be taken
    daily.
    >
    > Joel
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Kieran Kelly" 
    > To: 
    > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:38 PM
    > Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III
    >
    >
    > > Joel,
    > >
    > > A quote from the Plath company history tends to support Peter's view
    > > although it is somewhat ambiguous:
    > >
    > > "At the beginning of 1953 Johannes Boysen, together with the well known
    > > American navigator, P V H Weems, founded in Washington the firm of Weems
    &
    > > Plath, whose main purpose was to step up the sale of C Plath sextants in
    > the
    > > USA."
    > >
    > > The history points out that this association only lasted 11 years when C
    > > Plath pulled out, however it did not insist on a name change.
    > >
    > > The history continued, " As the US navy instited that the instruments
    used
    > > by it should be manufactured in the USA, C Plath granted the firm of
    Lowe
    > > Inc in New York a manufacturing licence for the C Plath sextants. Up to
    > this
    > > day all Mark 111 sextants for the US Navy have been manufactured by this
    > and
    > > a successor firm under this licence."
    > >
    > > These words were written in 1987 so according to the company's offical
    > > history Mark 111 sextants were indeed Plath's made under licence in the
    > USA.
    > > Possibly David White was the successor firm to Lowe Inc that is referred
    > to
    > > in the history. What date did your company pitch for the business?
    > >
    > > Regards
    > >
    > > Kieran Kelly
    > > Sydney
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Navigation Mailing List
    > > [mailto:NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM]On Behalf Of Joel Jacobs
    > > Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 8:34 AM
    > > To: NAVIGATION-L{at}LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM
    > > Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III
    > >
    > >
    > > Peter,
    > >
    > > I don't know where you got your information, but my company, Nautech
    > > Maritime Corp of Chicago, Il,  bid on the Navy contract for the MK III,
    > and
    > > it went to David White of Milwaukee. They also had a subsidiary,
    survivor
    > or
    > > successor company called something like Scientific Instruments,
    Milwaukee,
    > > WI which made the Mod 2.
    > >
    > > You can read about this experience at:
    > >
    > >
    >
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561519492&category=37971
    > >
    > > I was away from sextants from 1978 until just recently, but I was of the
    > > opinion that the W&H sextant was made by Cassens & Plath. I will not bet
    > the
    > > farm on that one, but I will on who made the USN MK III Mod 0 unless
    what
    > > you say occurred while we were out of the country, 1978 - 1984, and
    during
    > > the following years when I was not involved with sextants in any manner.
    > >
    > > Joel Jacobs
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: 
    > > To: 
    > > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:07 PM
    > > Subject: Re: C+P
    > >
    > >
    > > > To add my two cents to Kieren and Robert's explaination of C. Plath's
    > > > relationship to Cassens & Plath, there was a similar situation with
    > Weems
    > > &
    > > > Plath of Washington, DC (later Annapolis, MD). After World War II, C.
    > > Plath
    > > > went through a very difficult rebuilding period. With the decline of
    > > German
    > > > shipping, they looked to gain a foothold in the US market. In 1953
    they
    > > > formed a partnership with P.V.H. Weems to sell C. Plath sextants and
    > > > compasses, calling the venture Weems & Plath.
    > > >
    > > > Since the US Navy would not purchase foreign-made instruments, Lowe,
    > Inc.,
    > > > of New York was contracted to build sextants under license from C.
    Plath
    > > and
    > > > bearing the Weems & Plath name. The US Navy Mark III sextant was a
    > > > Lowe-built Plath.
    > > >
    > > >  -- Peter
    >
    
    
    

       
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