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Re: C+P Navy Mk Iii
From: Joel Jacobs
Date: 2004 Mar 21, 00:13 -0500
From: Joel Jacobs
Date: 2004 Mar 21, 00:13 -0500
Hi Kieran, Hi Kieran, and Peter, I can assure you that the original Navy MK III Mod O sextants were made by David White & Co, and/or Scientific Instruments, both of Milwaukee, WI. This would be around 1974-76. It is possible that Lowe came into the picture ten or more years later if the other two companies went out of business as I think they did. Here is one of the best buys on ebay in the recent past. Unfortunately, I was called away for a long distance tele, and missed out on the final bidding. I just wrote the buyer as to who the manufacturer was. BTW, there was no Lowe making sextants when I was active in the business which as I said previously ended in NOV 1978, but I was aware of the other two. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3705509316&category=37971 &ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 Note that this is an aluminium frame sextant just like the one that will sell on ebay this week. I know I told Stacy and may have told the group, that I used one when I was a DV on board the USS Caron, DD 970 for a brief cruise the Summer before last. If I did tell you that, I also mentioned I couldn't get any officers or quartermasters to take any sights with me. And Stacy followed up with a directive from the Commander of the Atlantic Fleet giving the requirements of how many celestial sights should be taken daily. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kieran Kelly"
To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III > Joel, > > A quote from the Plath company history tends to support Peter's view > although it is somewhat ambiguous: > > "At the beginning of 1953 Johannes Boysen, together with the well known > American navigator, P V H Weems, founded in Washington the firm of Weems & > Plath, whose main purpose was to step up the sale of C Plath sextants in the > USA." > > The history points out that this association only lasted 11 years when C > Plath pulled out, however it did not insist on a name change. > > The history continued, " As the US navy instited that the instruments used > by it should be manufactured in the USA, C Plath granted the firm of Lowe > Inc in New York a manufacturing licence for the C Plath sextants. Up to this > day all Mark 111 sextants for the US Navy have been manufactured by this and > a successor firm under this licence." > > These words were written in 1987 so according to the company's offical > history Mark 111 sextants were indeed Plath's made under licence in the USA. > Possibly David White was the successor firm to Lowe Inc that is referred to > in the history. What date did your company pitch for the business? > > Regards > > Kieran Kelly > Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > From: Navigation Mailing List > [mailto:NAVIGATION-L@LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM]On Behalf Of Joel Jacobs > Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 8:34 AM > To: NAVIGATION-L@LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM > Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III > > > Peter, > > I don't know where you got your information, but my company, Nautech > Maritime Corp of Chicago, Il, bid on the Navy contract for the MK III, and > it went to David White of Milwaukee. They also had a subsidiary, survivor or > successor company called something like Scientific Instruments, Milwaukee, > WI which made the Mod 2. > > You can read about this experience at: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2561519492&category=37971 > > I was away from sextants from 1978 until just recently, but I was of the > opinion that the W&H sextant was made by Cassens & Plath. I will not bet the > farm on that one, but I will on who made the USN MK III Mod 0 unless what > you say occurred while we were out of the country, 1978 - 1984, and during > the following years when I was not involved with sextants in any manner. > > Joel Jacobs > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: C+P > > > > To add my two cents to Kieren and Robert's explaination of C. Plath's > > relationship to Cassens & Plath, there was a similar situation with Weems > & > > Plath of Washington, DC (later Annapolis, MD). After World War II, C. > Plath > > went through a very difficult rebuilding period. With the decline of > German > > shipping, they looked to gain a foothold in the US market. In 1953 they > > formed a partnership with P.V.H. Weems to sell C. Plath sextants and > > compasses, calling the venture Weems & Plath. > > > > Since the US Navy would not purchase foreign-made instruments, Lowe, Inc., > > of New York was contracted to build sextants under license from C. Plath > and > > bearing the Weems & Plath name. The US Navy Mark III sextant was a > > Lowe-built Plath. > > > > -- Peter