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    Re: C+P Navy Mk Iii
    From: Joel Jacobs
    Date: 2004 Mar 21, 00:13 -0500

    Hi Kieran,
    Hi Kieran, and Peter,
    I can assure you that the original Navy MK III Mod O sextants were made by
    David White & Co, and/or Scientific Instruments, both of Milwaukee, WI. This
    would be around 1974-76.  It is possible that  Lowe came into the picture
    ten or more years later if the other two companies went out of business as I
    think they did.
    Here is one of the best buys on ebay in the recent past. Unfortunately, I
    was called away for a long distance tele, and missed out on the final
    bidding.  I just wrote the buyer as to who the manufacturer was. BTW, there
    was no Lowe making sextants when I was active in the business which as I
    said previously ended in NOV 1978, but I was aware of the other two.
    Note that this is an aluminium frame sextant just like the one that will
    sell on ebay this week. I know I told Stacy and may have told the group,
    that I used one when I was a DV on board the USS Caron, DD 970 for a brief
    cruise the Summer before last. If I did tell you that, I also mentioned I
    couldn't get any officers or quartermasters to take any sights with me. And
    Stacy followed up with a directive from the Commander of the Atlantic Fleet
    giving the requirements of how many celestial sights should be taken daily.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kieran Kelly" 
    Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:38 PM
    Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III
    > Joel,
    > A quote from the Plath company history tends to support Peter's view
    > although it is somewhat ambiguous:
    > "At the beginning of 1953 Johannes Boysen, together with the well known
    > American navigator, P V H Weems, founded in Washington the firm of Weems &
    > Plath, whose main purpose was to step up the sale of C Plath sextants in
    > USA."
    > The history points out that this association only lasted 11 years when C
    > Plath pulled out, however it did not insist on a name change.
    > The history continued, " As the US navy instited that the instruments used
    > by it should be manufactured in the USA, C Plath granted the firm of Lowe
    > Inc in New York a manufacturing licence for the C Plath sextants. Up to
    > day all Mark 111 sextants for the US Navy have been manufactured by this
    > a successor firm under this licence."
    > These words were written in 1987 so according to the company's offical
    > history Mark 111 sextants were indeed Plath's made under licence in the
    > Possibly David White was the successor firm to Lowe Inc that is referred
    > in the history. What date did your company pitch for the business?
    > Regards
    > Kieran Kelly
    > Sydney
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Navigation Mailing List
    > [mailto:NAVIGATION-L@LISTSERV.WEBKAHUNA.COM]On Behalf Of Joel Jacobs
    > Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 8:34 AM
    > Subject: Re: C+P NAVY MK III
    > Peter,
    > I don't know where you got your information, but my company, Nautech
    > Maritime Corp of Chicago, Il,  bid on the Navy contract for the MK III,
    > it went to David White of Milwaukee. They also had a subsidiary, survivor
    > successor company called something like Scientific Instruments, Milwaukee,
    > WI which made the Mod 2.
    > You can read about this experience at:
    > I was away from sextants from 1978 until just recently, but I was of the
    > opinion that the W&H sextant was made by Cassens & Plath. I will not bet
    > farm on that one, but I will on who made the USN MK III Mod 0 unless what
    > you say occurred while we were out of the country, 1978 - 1984, and during
    > the following years when I was not involved with sextants in any manner.
    > Joel Jacobs
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: 
    > To: 
    > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:07 PM
    > Subject: Re: C+P
    > > To add my two cents to Kieren and Robert's explaination of C. Plath's
    > > relationship to Cassens & Plath, there was a similar situation with
    > &
    > > Plath of Washington, DC (later Annapolis, MD). After World War II, C.
    > Plath
    > > went through a very difficult rebuilding period. With the decline of
    > German
    > > shipping, they looked to gain a foothold in the US market. In 1953 they
    > > formed a partnership with P.V.H. Weems to sell C. Plath sextants and
    > > compasses, calling the venture Weems & Plath.
    > >
    > > Since the US Navy would not purchase foreign-made instruments, Lowe,
    > > of New York was contracted to build sextants under license from C. Plath
    > and
    > > bearing the Weems & Plath name. The US Navy Mark III sextant was a
    > > Lowe-built Plath.
    > >
    > >  -- Peter

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