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    Re: Bygraves
    From: Hanno Ix
    Date: 2009 Jul 21, 10:18 -0700
    MAT:

    Thank you so much. Let me study these files and experiment with them. This, however, will also get me into other worlds: Google Groups and Postscript. Well, so be it. The process will be slower than I thought but perhaps well worth it.

    PS: To your knowledge has anybody talked to " Datalizer Slide Charts" (datalizer.com)? The site seems to be indicating they are open to small runs of related products.

    Regards



    --- On Tue, 7/21/09, mat <MartinTali---.com> wrote:

    From: mat <MartinTali---.com>
    Subject: [NavList 9169] Re: Bygraves
    To: "NavList" <NavList@fer3.com>
    Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:24 AM


    Hanno,

    A while back I wrote some flat Bygrave scales in Postscript. It's
    essentially a programming language to create graphics, so I made my
    own rules regarding frequency of tick marks and labels. Essentially
    for each level of graduation (tens of degrees, degrees, tens of
    minutes, five minutes, minutes, etc) I defined a minimum size of
    division in (1/72 inch) pixels for which this particular division is
    either subdivided with tick marks. Same goes for label positions:

    By playing with numbers in table below I was able to fine tune
    frequency of tick marks and labels to my liking.

    cos.ps:
    ..
    /divsize      [ 1   9    2   5    6   10   ] def   % - Number of
    divisions on this level
    across                                             % in each division
    of previous level
    /divstep      [ 90  10   5   1    1/6 1/60 ] def   % - Size of each
    division in degrees
    /ticklen      [ 8   7    6.5 5    3   2    ] def   % - height of the
    tick mark
    /tickbottom   [-1.5 -1.5 -1  0    0   0    ] def   % - bottom of
    tickmark
    /tickweight   [ 1.5 1.5  0.5 0.25 0.25 0.1 ] def   % - width of the
    tick mark
    /subticklimit [ 15  10      10  20   20  25   ] def   % - minimum size of
    division,
                                                       % which is still
    subdivied on next level
    /labellimit   [ 120 60      100 180  250 200  ] def   % - minimum size of
    division,
                               % which still has tick labels drawn
                               % for subdivision

    /minutesonly true def % If true degrees are dropped from minute labels
    ...

    See following post for working adjustable scales.

    http://groups.google.com/group/NavList/msg/6bfe198c49d1af7d

    If you look in files you can also see variables for distance of labels
    from tick marks, font size etc.

    BTW These scales are produced for flat Bygrave, for cylindrical
    version you need to cut them in half vertically.

    Martin


    On Jul 18, 11:36 am, Hanno Ix <hann...---.net> wrote:
    > Hello:
    >
    > One of the difficulties I presently face in making test samples of Bygraves is the creation of accurate and well readable scales. The topic sounds perhaps trivial but well designed scales contributes much to the quality of the end product.
    >
    > In non-linear scales,
    > how do you choose the graduations, and what is the rule to change them when the
    > labels become "too close" ?  Where do you
    > put the numbers - on top or next to the corresponding mark? Also, there should be means to shift and stretch them for certain amounts so as to adapt them to the drums, paper thickness, etc. Are there any programs or algorithms specifically for rulers and scales?
    >
    > I know some of you have made scales. Please let me know how you did it before I get lost in re-inventing this wheel.
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, engin...{at}clear.net.nz <engin...{at}clear.net.nz> wrote:
    >
    > From: engin..{at}clear.net.nz <engin...{at}clear.net.nz>
    > Subject: [NavList 9119] Re: Bygraves
    > To: NavList@fer3.com
    > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 7:59 PM
    >
    > Frncis has made a great start. I think it is possible to get something looking even more like the original.
    >
    > Ronald van Riet gives the dimensions of the tubes in millimetres, but I think the original outside diameters would have been imperial sizes:
    > 2 1/2 in; 2 5/16 in; and 2 1/8 in. Nowadays, the only stock imperial sizes that are near are 2 1/2 and 2 1/4 in.  There is a wide range of tube wall thicknesses, so it will be possible to get to the required dimensions by turning and/or boring.
    >
    > The hexagonal top and the fluted base will be easy to make if a suitable material can be sourced.
    >
    > I suggest we make a start with the simplest item, the Bygrave, and graduate to the more complex German instrument. I can obtain suitable aluminium tubing for only the two larger diameters - and only in 5 metre lengths. If someone out there can send me 10 inch lengths of tubing with the right inside and outside diameters to reach the required diameters, I would be happy to make a start and pass the results on to the "scale fitters". This could prove the concept as well as setting up a cooperative to supply those who don't own the necessary machine tools.
    >
    > Bill Morris
    > Pukenui
    > New Zealand



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