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    Re: Buckley the Navigator
    From: Peter Fogg
    Date: 2008 Mar 2, 10:15 +1100
    In any case, it was a lot more edifying to learn about Buckley the skilled navigator and determined funster aboard his 71' ketch, roaming the oceans.


    On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Fred Hebard <Fred{at}acf.org> wrote:

    But that was before the internet.  And it was on tv.  And Vidal said
    it in an inventive way, as one would expect.

    On Mar 1, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Peter Fogg wrote:

    > There is a rule-of-thumb that states that the first to call the
    > other a fascist in a debate loses the argument at that point
    > (although in William F. Buckley's case it must have been difficult
    > to resist).
    >
    > There is another rule-of-thumb that holds that the first to
    > threaten physical violence in a debate loses the argument at that
    > point (although with Gore Vidal as a verbal sparring partner it
    > could have been difficult to resist).
    >
    > This famous anecdote, that I even heard on the radio recently as
    > part of a Buckley eulogy, does neither of them any credit at all.
    >
    >
    > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Fred Hebard <Fred{at}acf.org> wrote:
    >
    > Buckley indeed had a fantastic personality and demeanor.  He also
    > could be tough, somehow without escalating a confrontation.  In the
    > spasm of recent coverage, I saw a video of him interviewing Gore
    > Vidal in 1967.  Vidal, in his vicious way, essentially called Buckley
    > a Nazi.  Buckley immediately, at a normal volume of speech but
    > menacingly said he would "punch" Vidal in "the goddammed face" right
    > then and there if that line of reasoning were pursued.  No
    > histrionics, no screaming, reminding me of the way one of the
    > middling-sized boys in the class might inform a larger one that said
    > larger one had crossed a line and needed to back down; the smaller
    > boy being one of those kids you didn't mess with, even though he
    > wasn't big and had never been tested in a real fight.  In my case,
    > I'm sure it would have flown over the top of my head as I continued
    > in the same mode to debate such a vicious attack, therebye losing the
    > debate.  I also have witnessed a very unseemly scene erupt during a
    > formal meeting when the Nazi metaphor/simile was invoked.
    >
    > Fred Hebard
    >
    > On Mar 1, 2008, at 3:32 AM, frankreed{at}HistoricalAtlas.net wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > An excerpt from an obituary of William F. Buckley:
    >
    > > Norfolk photographer and writer Christopher Little first met
    > > Buckley while
    > > on assignment for The New York Times in the early 1970s....
    >
    >
    > >  Little said Wednesday during a
    > > phone interview. "In my line of work, you meet a lot of famous and
    > > charming
    > > people, but Bill took that to an even higher level. You couldn't
    > > possibly
    > > have more fun with someone. He told hilarious stories and shared
    > great
    > > gossip about all the famous people he knew." "
    > >
    > >  -FER
    > > www.HistoricalAtlas.com
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >






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