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    Re: Buckley the Navigator
    From: Greg R_
    Date: 2008 Mar 6, 16:11 -0800

    I'm not sure if that was meant to be a compliment or a slam, but what I
    posted was my own opinion and you're welcome to either agree or
    disagree. And as always, your own mileage may vary...  ;-)
    
    > And quite an undertaking; to try and instruct a practical method of
    > cel nav within a few magazine pages
    
    Agreed, but this particular undertaking was handicapped from the get-go
    by that 8-paragraph detour that had little (if anything) to do with the
    topic at hand. I think the verbiage (and the column-inches) could have
    been put to much better use with a compact introduction to one
    particular celnav technique (Air Almanac and H.O. 249 in this case),
    and with further references footnoted for those who might want to delve
    into it deeper (theory, other techniques, etc.).
    
    > You have to remember that for generations of sailors there was
    > probably not much interest in the subject as such, rather a great
    > practical need to be able to navigate, and that people have crossed
    > oceans using only sun sights, altogether successfully.
    
    True enough, but would you in all honesty recommend this article to
    someone just starting out and with zero celnav background? I wouldn't.
    
    --
    GregR
    
    
    --- Peter Fogg  wrote:
    
    > Fair crack of the whip, Greg, it was a magazine article !
    >
    > And quite an undertaking; to try and instruct a practical method of
    > cel nav
    > within a few magazine pages, but I think Mr Buckley Junior made a
    > fair
    > enough fist of it, all things considered.  He sets out how to obtain
    > two
    > LOPs from obs of the sun with a few hours interval, leading to a fix.
    >  Good
    > basic stuff.
    >
    > Nothing to stop someone encouraged by that from delving further into
    > the
    > subject, if sufficiently interested.  You have to remember that for
    > generations of sailors there was probably not much interest in the
    > subject
    > as such, rather a great practical need to be able to navigate, and
    > that
    > people have crossed oceans using only sun sights, altogether
    > successfully.
    >
    >
    > Greg R. wrote:
    >
    > > "Finding Your Position"
    >
    > Which, of course, tends to prove my earlier point about his other
    > "tutelage" on celnav lacking in substance (at least in my opinion).
    > And
    > only someone like Buckley would take us on a roundabout detour of 8
    > introductory paragraphs before finally getting on with the main
    > topic...  ;-)
    >
    > I could also nitpick several other areas of his article (which by my
    > reading is only a gloss-over of celnav techniques at best) - the
    > suggestion H.O. 249 is only used with the Air Almanac vs. the
    > Nautical
    > Almanac(?), the term Hs is introduced but never really defined
    > (except
    > maybe peripherally from the context), etc. etc.
    >
    > And just like the video, lots of pompous (and extraneous) verbiage
    > but
    > not a whole lot of useful information - especially for a beginner, as
    > this article purports to be written for. As someone who's familiar
    > with
    > various celnav techniques the article made sense to me (though it
    > could
    > have been written with a LOT simpler language), but I'd never
    > consider
    > using this as a reference for a beginner-level class.
    >
    > --
    > GregR
    >
    >
    >
    > --- Peter Fogg  wrote:
    >
    > > Here is a link:
    > >
    > http://cumulus.hillsdale.edu:8080/buckley/Standard/search/field.html
    > > from which Buckley's
    > > "Finding Your Position" subtitled
    > > "From sun sight to plotting board, here is a system of celestial
    > > navigation
    > > that brings even math-class dropouts home to port"
    > > can be accessed, in PDF format.
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    >
    
    
    
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