A Community Devoted to the Preservation and Practice of Celestial Navigation and Other Methods of Traditional Wayfinding
From: Hanno Ix
Date: 2014 Dec 4, 19:44 -0800
That is great. I will start on the new Fuller asap in the new year. Meanwhile, the Brown-Nassau prototype will soon be updated with Harri’s latest excellent graphs which include Verniers. These may improve accuracy. The current prototype (7’) is smaller than the original (10’). Harri, how difficult to do full sized 10 inch graphs presumably for a A3 printer? That presumably would give optimum accuracy (2-3’) of the original?
Even the 7’ with Verniers looks good and is very easy and quick to build. I’ll test that first and determine accuracy.
Hanno, when you have time, could you send me a simple diagram (hand done ok) of the suggested pivot bearing assembly you described earlier? The simple drawing pin on the current prototype works very accurately, but obviously, not long term. The final version needs robust and very accurate construction. Hanno, are you an engineer? You sound like you know your stuff here.
Gary, how about doing a test flight on the final version sometime? Maybe compare v your flat Bygrave? There’s a challenge.
the Polhemus went out today.
You should receive it within 10 days.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Francis Upchurch <NoReply_Upchurch@fer3.com> wrote:
My sister is a US citizen 20 years and I have visited US many times, including during thanksgiving. ( I have 2 nephews/nieces also) I have great respect for that. The revolutionary war was not England’s finest moment so be at peace, send the polhemus when ever convenient. I will start on the Fuller as soon as possible, but probably not complete until new year.
Best wishes and happy thanksgiving!
Here is an embarrassing situation: I will have to postpose the shipment
of the polhemus to next week.
Buried here in my study and thinking about things I missed to look at the calendar:
We here in the US celebrate Thanksgiving on THU and we will travel to see family.
We will be back TUE.
I can doing sight reduction using my right hand only - I tried it with the
hav-Doniol plus my hav-table and azimuth diagram. I just had to! ;)
However, my chair did not bounce and roll as an Gipsy Moth might,
I wore no goggles nor gloves or a helmet, no wind howled in my ears
and no fear was in my heart.
But the "mechanics" did work.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Francis Upchurch <NoReply_Upchurch@fer3.com> wrote:
Thank you so much. That is terrific advice. Will do.
Just need the curves. If I cannot get the best as per emails to Greg, I will try the basic curves from Brown paper and add verniers etc best I can. The issue of the accuracy of the pivot point had not occurred to me, so thanks for that. I will look into that. There are several good marine engineers who have worked on my boat who could do the accurate drilling I am sure, at very little if any expense. (they usually owe me one, medical services previously rendered). So , watch this space. Still would love computer generated curves from an expert (there’s a challenge!)
it seems you are bent to do the Brown Nassau. Great.
There is an important component to this type of slide rule, graph or whatchamacallit: the mechanics of the bearing that establishes the rotational axis - actually, its accuracy and stability. While you can use a pin for a while it will deteriorate quickly. May I offer some hints? Of course, there is a myriad of possible variations for this - you need to be flexible to what ever resources you have.
As you suggest, just build first a mathematically very simple - please not primitive - prototype for instance a device that finds the intersections of two curves that you know the result of beforehand. As a bearing, you might use a short 1/8" smooth steel pin with a thread inside. That thread will take later 2 stubby flat head machine screws with only a few turns each that will hold the whole thing together.
Next, get yourself 2 penny-size metal disks. I' recommend brass, copper I don't know but NO steel. You can find such disks on the www at jewelry outfits such as:
709 Sansom Street · Philadelphia PA 19106 · USA
Now comes the important part: Drilling precision holes through the centers of these disks. A regular handheld drill will not do! Best, ask a friendly machine shop. The goal are holes that are about 1/1000 to 2/1000 inches bigger than the above pin. For the shop, this job will be no difficulty at all. Remember, this tolerance is crucial for the proper function of your device!
Also drill holes through the scales at the center of the rotation axis - somewhat bigger than the above holes but at the same location. No particular precision necessary here.
The rest is just assembling things. The step to pay attention to is gluing the disks to the accurately centered scales. It helps if you included some fiducial marks and a set of concentric circles in your graphs. As a glue I use simply contact cement. Works great.
No further description necessary here - you did such things before for your Fullers.
Finally, insert the pin, put a simple washer on one side and insert the one of the flat head screws. On the other side apply 2 washers, first one neoprene washer ( see your hardware store) and secondly one regular metal washer. The neoprene washer will act as a break and as a spring. Then insert the second screw and tighten it until the scales slide firmly but without skipping. If needed add a washer or two to adjust the pressure.
Ready for testing- good luck!
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Francis Upchurch <NoReply_Upchurch@fer3.com> wrote:
In that case, I’m going to have to build one!
Any US volunteers for a visit to SI?
I did visit it many years ago when I came over for an FDA hearing, but I didn’t know about this device then!
I’m not well enough to do the trip for the foreseeable future.
Worse case is I could build a primitive experimental prototype using the simplified graph curves in the Brown paper, hopefully edited in photoshop to add verniers etc. Or someone may fancy generating new curves from the trig equations described in the paper? Hanno says I should learn how to do this and I guess he is right!
Closer inspection of the SI image shows the BN has 30' verniers to obtain higher precision. Sort of like a plastic sextant calculator. 3' precision is possible.