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    Re: Beginner Meridian Passage Question
    From: Bill Noyce
    Date: 2004 Sep 1, 16:27 -0400

    > Second, the concept of meridian passage for objects with a declination
    > greater than the observer's latitude causes me some confusion as they
    > never dip below the horizon, so under proper viewing conditions
    Polaris,
    > Dubhe et al could be observed crossing the meridian twice in a
    sidereal
    > or solar day.
    
    Half right.  The objects that behave this way are those whose
    declination is
    larger than (90d - Lat).  You are correct that "Meridian Passage" is
    generally
    considered to be when the body crosses the half of your meridian that
    stretches
    from pole to pole and includes your zenith.
    
    > As a side bar, Susan Howell/Practical Celestial Navigation's chapter
    on
    > meridian sights states that in a lifeboat situation the position of
    Polaris
    > relative to the north celestial pole can be estimated by the position
    of
    > Ruchbah, as it is on the same side of the PN and directly in line with
    > Polaris and the PN.  While published in 1976, it has been revised
    since.
    > Inspection of the current almanac star pages would indicate the SHA of
    > Polaris is 320+, while Ruchbah is 338+.  Inspecting the rate of change
    in
    > one year, it appears that Ruchbah's SHA is changing faster than
    Polaris's,
    > so the relationship may be quite different in 2004 than it was in
    1976.  Am
    > I missing something?  If not, any current rules of thumb (other than
    finding
    > a visible star with a like or 180 opposite SHA) for estimating the
    angle of
    > Polaris to the North Pole?
    
    Not sure this is relevant, but remember that stellar aberration -- the
    annual
    movement of stars' apparent positions due to the speed of the earth in
    orbit
    as a fraction of the speed of light -- will appear to affect the SHA of
    Polaris
    more than other navigational stars, even though its actual position is
    not
    affected more greatly.  This is simply because you divide the position
    change
    by cos(declination) to get change in SHA.  I would guess that
    longer-term
    changes in SHA for these stars are related much more to the earth's
    precession
    than to stars' proper motion, though again I'm not sure this is relevant
    to
    your question.
    
    Looking at a list of star SHA's, it appears Kochab's SHA is pretty close
    to
    180d away from Polaris's.  I suppose the ways to use this info are:
    a) when you think Polaris is east or west of the pole, use its altitude
    directly as your latitude;
    b) when you think Polaris is directly below or above the pole, add or
    subtract its difference (which you have memorized as about 45');
    c) at other angles, estimate the sine or cosine (depending on how you
    name the angle) and multiply by 45'.
    
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Bill
    
    You're welcome,
            -- Bill
    
    
    

       
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