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    Re: B-52 navigators in Vietnam & AFNOA
    From: Ronald P Barrett
    Date: 2010 Oct 6, 06:00 -0700
    Paul, The Air Force Navigators Observers Association (www.afnoa.org) to which Harder belongs, openly supports navigator-authors like Harder. Harder's book, "Bombing from the Black Hole" is the real story as opposed to those told by wanna-be (popular) authors.

    We laud Harder and others like Col. Ed Whitcomb who wrote "On Celestial Wings" and "Escape from Corregidor" (which Whitcomb really did do as a young Lieutenant about to be captured by the Japs). A hellish time ago.
    AFNOA publishes a quarterly nav news letter called DR Ahead which you can get through being a member. Also AFNOA welcomes navs to tell their own stories in the news letter.

    Side Note: You mentioned the T-29 Nav trainer. The only open to the public T-29 with radar nav stations is located in Eureka Springs Arkansas (a really nice tourist area, one hour south-west of Branson, Missouri;which is a major tourist area) at the Aviation Cadet Museum dba "Cadet World." E-Mail: av1cadet@arkansas.net or go to www.aviationcadet.com for photos.

    Additionally, the Aviation Cadet Museum has two F-105G/H Wild Weasel cockpits that are being fully restored. "Buff's Buddy" is there.... that is one of the most heroic airframes of all of the Viet Nam war. Contact Museum Director Errol Severe as this Museum is well worth going to. Plan a day there as you can get into the planes:unlike the govt-museums where you can only look.

    Ron Barrett, USAF Ret Nav/Bomb, President AFNOA   ronaldpbarrett@yahoo.com

    --- On Tue, 10/5/10, Paul Hirose <cfuhb-acdgw@earthlink.net> wrote:

    From: Paul Hirose <cfuhb-acdgw@earthlink.net>
    Subject: [NavList] B-52 navigators in Vietnam
    To: "Google nav list" <NavList@fer3.com>
    Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 6:03 PM

    "U.S. Air Force navigators and bombardiers have long labored under the
    shadow of pilots, their contributions misunderstood or simply unknown to
    the public. This was especially the case with the B-52 non-pilot officer
    aircrews in the Vietnam War. Yet without them it would have been
    impossible to execute nuclear war strike plans or fly conventional
    bombing sorties. Here, one of their own reveals who these men were and
    what they did down in the 'Black Hole.'"

    So says the dust jacket of "Flying from the Black Hole," a 2009
    book by Robert O. Harder, who served in the U.S. Air Force from 1966
    through 1970. Harder had wanted to be a pilot, but slight myopia
    meant he became a navigator instead. ("The eye test was an absolute deal
    killer; if one did not have 'perfect' vision, one was simply not
    admitted to Undergraduate Pilot School.")

    In the mid-1960s, the USAF conducted UNT (undergraduate navigator
    training) at Mather AFB near Sacramento, California. "The young men were
    streamed into their new work on a dead run, and that intensity did not
    let up in the slightest over the next thirty-eight weeks." After a few
    weeks of ground training with charts, plotters, dividers, and the MB-4A
    computer, students were ready to start the 40 scheduled flight lessons.

    About midway through the course, celestial with an MA-2 sextant replaced
    radar as the primary fix technique. "Becoming proficient in night and
    day celestial was at the heart of navigator school; once successfully
    accomplished, the student was on the home stretch. For most men, the
    celestial phases were the most satisfying part of their entire training
    — deliciously elemental disciplines that relied almost wholly on an
    individual's wits for success."

    Their flying classroom was the T-29, a military version of a twin piston
    engine airliner. It had 14 work stations, each with a table, instrument
    panel, and radar scope. Students shared five periscopic driftmeters and
    four astrodomes. Three or four instructors supervised. The work
    environment was difficult: "constant and very fatiguing engine and
    slipstream noise, bumpy air, poor cabin lighting, student congestion in
    the aisles upsetting tight shooting schedules, balky observation dome
    safety harnesses making one even more late for the precomputed shot that
    couldn't wait, and the inevitable, pitiless instructor hovering over a
    shoulder -- red pencil at the ready."

    Graduates from UNT were ready for assignments in transport aircraft. But
    those headed for the B-52 continued with NBT (Navigator Bombardier
    Training), "an exhaustive study of bombardment systems, weapons and
    their ballistics, and really hard-core radar mapping and celestial
    navigation." At NBT there was a fork in the road. Some students trained
    on the ASQ-48 bomb-nav system, installed in the early model B-52s, while
    others took the ASQ-38 route that led to the late model B-52s. (Harder
    never found out why the more advanced system had a lower numbered

    The systems were so different, a man trained on one could not operate
    the other. During the Vietnam war this caused hard feelings among the
    ASQ-48 group because the B-52D carried the brunt of the war. Thus, the
    ASQ-48 navigators served tour after tour in Southeast Asia while the
    ASQ-38 guys stayed home with the B-52G and H.

    NBT lasted about half a year. The next stop was three weeks in survival
    school, learning how to evade capture and live off the land after an
    ejection. At this point students had been training almost two years but
    had not yet flown in a B-52.

    That would change at the next assignment, Castle Air Force Base in
    central California. After the usual irritating weeks of classroom work,
    the big day of the first flight in a B-52 finally arrived.

    The senior navigator (the instructor, on this training flight) on a B-52
    is called the "radar navigator" or "RN" and sits on the left. He has the
    big 10 inch radar scope and periscopic bomb sight. At his right, at the
    5 inch scope, sits the "nav", the junior navigator.

    Harder's first job comes during the takeoff roll when the pilot says
    SEVENTY KNOTS, NOW. The nav starts a stopwatch and, after a certain time
    (it depends on takeoff weight, runway altitude, air temperature, etc.),
    says something like FOURTEEN POINT EIGHT SECONDS, NOW, at which point
    the pilot checks airspeed. If it's above a certain value, the B-52 is
    accelerating as it should. If not, there's enough runway to chop
    throttles and stop safely.

    But when the seventy knots call comes, Harder is busy correcting a
    potentially fatal mistake the instructor has noticed. The lanyard that
    automatically opens his parachute after ejection is improperly attached.
    Fortunately the instructor was expecting this, and has started his own

    Once airborne, Harder keeps the chart updated, or pretends to. By the
    time the B-52 reaches 12000 feet, the warm air in the compartment
    and the bomber's rough ride are too much. He vomits on the chart table.
    A minute later he vomits on the instrument panel. The third time he
    vomits in his lunch box. His first flight lesson is a failure due to
    severe airsickness.

    Faced with washing out after coming so far, Harder begs for permission
    to refly the mission. "Fortunately there was a war on. Refly granted."
    He did well on that mission and the succeeding ones, and never again got
    airsick in a B-52.

    After graduation from NBT, an assignment to an operational Strategic Air
    Command unit finally marked the end of the student days. Well, almost. A
    new crew might need two or three months of training before they were
    designated combat ready. And all crews flew practice missions to keep
    their skills sharp.

    These usually began several days before, when the nav picked up the
    mission profile at Base Operations. It was only the bare bones -- times
    and locations of key events such as takeoff and landing, air refueling,
    and simulated bomb releases. The nav had to work out all the altitudes,
    headings, speeds, and turn points. This took a full day of work while
    the other five members of the crew could sit around drinking beer.

    Although B-52s carried the usual radio navigation equipment, it wasn't
    used much. SAC's assumption was that in the event of nuclear war all
    U.S. and Soviet stations would be down, so only celestial and radar
    would be usable for fixes. It was the EWO (electronic warfare officer)
    who actually took the sextant shots. He had initially qualified as a
    navigator, wasn't busy during the celestial legs of the mission, and his
    station was closer to the sextant port on the B-52's upper deck. The nav
    would give him the precomputed azimuth and altitude of the body, then
    reduce the sight. It did seem a little unfair that he did the hard work
    while the EWO got the fun part of the job.

    The ASQ-48 latitude and longitude counters (mechanical readouts similar
    to odometers) could be updated from a celestial fix, or by putting the
    radar crosshairs on a target of known coordinates. Between fixes the
    system would dead reckon with Doppler or, lacking that, true airspeed
    from the pitot static system, heading, and winds. That last was manually
    input in a pair of counters as east and north wind components. A "memory
    point" run could correct these values. After setting the radar
    crosshairs on some sharply defined target and letting them drift off,
    you used the radar hand control joystick to put them back on target. If
    memory point mode was active, this hand control input also changed the
    wind counters.

    Flying in SAC demanded precise timing. Navigators got nervous if they
    were more than 15 seconds off at an air refueling rendezvous. These were
    usually head-on, tanker and receiver flying reciprocal courses but
    offset laterally. The tanker would execute a U-turn, timed to finish
    neatly in front of the bomber. The rendezvous and hookup were done in
    radio silence, though radar beacons helped the navigators identify
    their refueling partners.

    To lose or gain time, there were preplanned doglegs ("timing triangles")
    in the route. You could cut off more or less from these to adjust timing
    without deviating from optimum cruise speed.

    (In 1965, the first B-52 raid of the Vietnam war turned into a disaster
    when the lead 3-plane "cell" was early at the tanker rendezvous and, for
    some reason, circled to kill time. They flew through the following cell
    and two B-52s collided.)

    Navigators wore two watches for redundancy. One was government issue,
    the other personal property, in the 1960s typically a Seiko. Fancy
    "pilot watches" were not popular. The watch merely needed to keep good
    time and have a sweep second hand you could stop and start at will in
    order to set it precisely.

    The lead B-52 of each cell was responsible for navigation. The other two
    planes flew 1 mile and 2 miles in trail, offset a little to the left and
    right, 500 and 1000 feet above the leader, cruising at about 440 knots
    true. Their ASQ-48 radars would be in air to air "station keeping" mode.
    Of course the trailing navigators would monitor the performance of the
    lead nav. The usual charts were black and white strip charts, folded
    accordion style, with little except a lat/lon graticule and a course line.

    B-52s flying from Guam to Vietnam would refuel on the outbound part of
    the mission, at "Point Golf" (N20 20 E122 50) near the Phillipines. If
    the cell lead nav missed the rendezvous by more than a few seconds, he
    wouldn't be lead nav next time.

    Much of the bombing (not only by the B-52) in this war was aimed by
    ground controllers rather than equipment on the aircraft. The technology
    was basically what SAC had used for years to evaluate their simulated
    bomb drops on American cities. A precision radar at an RBS (radar bomb
    scoring) site tracked the incoming bomber, which transmitted a
    continuous tone by radio during the bomb run. At the moment of simulated
    release the tone stopped, enabling the RBS site to compute where the
    bomb would have hit.

    The Combat Skyspot system had a ground controller with similar equipment
    giving steering instructions and a release countdown to the bombers.
    Accuracy was superior, and it overcame the lack of manmade "culture" in
    Vietnam, which made target recognition difficult with airborne radar.

    Duty at the ground site could be dangerous. In fact, last month the USAF
    awarded the Medal of Honor to a sergeant killed in 1968 during an attack
    his site. (http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123223213)

    When bombing by Combat Skyspot, the B-52s maintained cell formation.
    Only the lead plane was tracked by the site and got the release call.
    The other two relied on stopwatch timing, so a precise trail distance
    was critical. Perfect technique would result in three parallel and
    equally spaced impact strings.

    Bombing with the onboard equipment ("synchronous bombing") was more work
    for the nav team. There were extensive preflight computations. (Harder
    shows a worksheet from one of his NBT training missions in 1966.) These
    could be a matter of life and death, as many strikes were close to
    friendly troops. Coming up to the bomb run, the RN was responsible for
    the radar crosshairs while the nav concentrated on calling the final
    turn so the B-52 would roll out precisely on the planned course. Then he
    verifed the RN's crosshair placement before bomb release. Although the
    autopilot could follow the heading error signal from the ASQ-48,
    accuracy was better if the pilot manually "flew the needle".

    After bombs away, SAC procedure was to execute a 50° bank, combat
    breakaway turn, as if a nuke had been dropped. (This unnecessary
    maneuver would have fatal consequences during the great raids on Hanoi
    in December 1972.) Following the breakaway, the cell would reform for
    the trip home. For B-52s flying out of Guam, a complete mission was 12
    or 13 hours. Adrenaline made time pass pretty fast on the outbound trip,
    but the return was maddeningly slow for the deeply fatigued crew.
    Celestial observations were about the only break from the monotony.

    Harder flew 145 Operation Arc Light missions from 1968 to 1970. That was
    in addition to his regular duties as part of the SAC deterrent force at
    home, flying training missions, participating in exercises, and standing
    nuclear alert. By the end of his career, morale was low in the B-52D
    units. Crews were worn out. In 1965 who would have guessed that Arc
    Light would last eight years? The repeated six-month rotations to
    Southeast Asia, with no end in sight, were a major reason Harder
    resigned from the USAF in 1970. And he was a bachelor. You can imagine
    how tough these rotations were on the military families.

    Unfortunately for his readers, Harder was out of the Air Force by the
    time of the climactic Operation Linebacker I and II raids in 1972.
    Although he devotes much space to Linebacker, the Gulf War, and the
    war on terror, the post-1970 chapters lack that extra something that
    comes from personal experience. Nevertheless, I'm sure anyone interested
    in air navigation will enjoy "Flying from the Black Hole". I came across
    it in a bookstore one afternoon. About 2 o'clock the next morning I
    finally forced myself to quit reading and go to bed.

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