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    Re: Attachments on Nav-L list
    From: Frank Reed CT
    Date: 2005 Aug 29, 05:32 EDT

    George H wrote:
    "Frank dismisses, with  apparent contempt, the perfectly reasonable request
    that Dan Hogan has made  of Nav-l members, that we should avoid sending
    attachments, useful though  they would be. "
    Oy vey, George. Are you at it again??
    I have no  "contempt" for Dan Hogan's "perfectly reasonable request" (how
    perfect is it  anyway?). And I stand by what I said, list members of
    long-standing have posted  messages with attachments without getting slammed for it. Let's
    see... Fred  Hebard sent a bunch of attachments last year --and you responded
    to them warmly,  even asking at one point whether he could re-send one
    attachment in a format  compatible with your old system [why were you so tolerant of
    attachments then  but so angry about them now, George??]. Joel Jacobs has
    sent attachments...  Richard Langley, too. There's nothing "horrible" about
    George H also wrote:
    "1.  That those with dial-up  connections are not plagued with unwanted
    messages with long download times,  as Geoffrey Kolbe has made clear."
    Unless the user's e-mail reader is  woefully archaic or the user simply
    hasn't investigated its tools, attachment  downloads are OPTIONAL. They certainly
    are optional from the e-mail reader that  I use. When I open an e-mail message
    with an attachment, it appears as a  separate link. If I want it, I can
    download it. If I don't, I don't. Nice and  simple and no problems with download
    times. Maybe YOU could help Geoffrey Kolbe  with his issue??
    And also:
    "2. More important, to minimise the risk of  virus transmission. One
    respected member (at least) has stated that he  discards all email messages
    that come with attachments, for that very  reason."
    I know some people who won't open e-mail AT ALL outside of a  known address
    book because they're paranoid about viruses. But that doesn't mean  they are
    right. And I sure wouldn't want to "dumb down" all e-mail exchange to  suit
    those poor mis-informed souls. Nonetheless, I respect their right to do as  they
    choose. And we should all be aware that there are people with such  irrational
    paranoias out there...
    And George, you wrote:
    "What's more,  Frank encourages others to show the same indiscipline. I hope
    he will not  succeed."
    George, you missed your calling in life. You would have made a  great traffic
    cop! But there are no tickets on the Internet, so today... you are  out of
    And you wrote:
    "There are viable alternatives. If a  poster has such information to send, he
    can ask interested parties to contact  him and then send such wanted
    attachments off-list. Or he can post up his  information on a website and
    invite listmembers to read it  there."
    Sure. Why not? That's what I do. I always try to post to my web  site when I
    have something of interest that's non-text. But that's my personal  choice. If
    someone else finds an attachment more convenient, as Fred Hebard and  Joel
    Jacobs and Richard Langley have in the past, I certainly would not fault  them
    for it. Do you fault Fred or Joel or Richard for what they did? Perhaps  more
    relevant, did you fault them at the time??
    And George, you  concluded:
    "If Frank objects to the list's rules, he should ask Dan Hogan if  he is
    willing to alter them; not try subverting them himself."
    Don't  be silly, George. I haven't attempted to subvert ANYTHING. Let's turn
    the tables  -- when you asked Fred to re-post a message to the list using a
    tiff attachment  instead of a pdf, was that subversion?? Of course not. No one
    would even  remotely suggest such a thing. And you should not use such
    intolerant suggestions now.
    42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N  72.1W.

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