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Re: Artificial horizon
From: Gary LaPook
Date: 2005 Feb 21, 23:46 -0800
From: Gary LaPook
Date: 2005 Feb 21, 23:46 -0800
I always have used a little bowl filled with mercury which I filter
through cloth first to remove the dross.
When done, I pour it back in a small bottle for storage. It is much better than any other liquid and you can even shoot dim stars.
Gary LaPook
George Huxtable wrote:
When done, I pour it back in a small bottle for storage. It is much better than any other liquid and you can even shoot dim stars.
Gary LaPook
George Huxtable wrote:
Alex raised these questions about artificial horizons-This question was discussed a lot in October 2004, and I want to add something. Recently I made many experiments with Davis art horizon sold by Celestaire. I tried various combination of Caro syrup and oil, Caro syrup alone, and oil alone. (Caro syrup was recommended on this list). The best "combination" seems to be pure vegetable oil, without any syrup. I really don't understand why this sirup was proposed. (To make the bottom darker? What for? And if this is indeed useful, why not to paint the bottom of the horizon vessel black with ordinary paint? The syrup hardens when the weather is cold (it was 23 F last weekend), always has impurities and causes double reflection unless the oil layes is extremally thin. Such thin layer of oil is usually not enough to smoothen the surface of sirup. I Have not tried the dark (mahine) oil yet, but why it is considered useful to have dark substance in general? Alex. P.S. I DO understand why Bauer and others recommend sextant mirrors painted black on the back side (to prevent second reflection from that back side) but with liquid filled art horizon with plastic botom it is different: there is no reflection>from the bottom. ================ Dealing first with his question-"why it is considered useful to have dark substance in general?": the reason is to avoid reflections from the bottom of the pan, as Alex surmised when he wrote- "To make the bottom darker? What for? And if this is indeed useful, why not to paint the bottom of the horizon vessel black with ordinary paint?". The problem is this. At present, Alex is seeing a Winter Sun, at rather low altitude, and with the Sun at that angle, there's plenty of reflection from the top surface of a liquid. Things get worse as the Sun gets higher in the sky, though an ordinary sextant limits such altitudes to 60 degrees. A larger fraction of the light penetrates the top surface, and if the liquid is clear (such as pure water) most passes through it to reflect off the bottom of the pan, and provide another, and perhaps brighter, view of the Sun. No precautions are taken to align (or deliberately misalign) the plane of the pan bottom with the horizontal, so that the lower reflection might be close enough to the wanted surface reflection to confuse the measurement. That's why the other (Norwegian?) type of artificial horizon, a piece of flat glass with levelling screws and a sensitive spirit-level, is always made with black glass, so there's no need to question the parallelism of the two surfaces. How is this reflection from the pan bottom to be avoided? Alex gives one answer; to give the bottom of the pan a non-reflecting surface. "Ordinary black paint", however, has quite a shine to it, and even matt-black paint tends to show a bit of mirror-reflection. Best might be to line the bottom of the pan with a material that is made up entirely of angled facets, none being horizontal, ribbed like the surface of a coarse file. Perhaps a piece of glued-down coarse emery paper would do the trick. Maybe a retro-reflective surface would be the answer, to send most of the light which strikes the bottom back in the direction it came from. These are suggestions, but I've never tried them in practice. Another approach might be to tilt the pan deliberately away from the horizontal, so that any shine from the botton gives an image that's well away from the desired reflection. Anyway, it's to avoid such problems that the Australian explorer Augustus Gregory used black tea for his superb sextant observations; and then drank it. Alex says- "but with liquid filled art horizon with plastic botom it is different: there is no reflection from the bottom." I don't know the Davis model art. horizon but perhaps some precautions have been taken in its design to make the bottom non-reflective at any angle of incident light. That would indeed be sensible. In which case, there's no need at all for the liquid to be blackened. It strikes me that a combination of two non-mixing liquids ("caro syrup and oil") in a shallow pan would be a bad idea, unless the pan was deep enough to ensure that the interface was always well below the surface. And might it not introduce another problem, of reflection at the interface between them? The arguments for using filtered used engine oil are- It reflects well from a nice shiny surface It transmits no light. It's viscous enough to that the wind doesn't (much) ruffle its surface, so usually no cloche is required above it. It's designed to keep its viscosity reasonably constant over a very wide range of temperatures. It's free. On the other hand, it's filthy stuff to use or dispose of. ============================ There's no doubt that the best reflecting fluid is Mercury, which reflects nearly all the light from a beautiful shiny surface, and even allows stars to be readily observed. The snag is that it tends to freeze in Arctic weather: does anyone know its freezing point? Does it's surface become dull as it nears its freezing point? Perhaps there are other possible reflecting liquids which remain sufficiently fluid at such Arctic temperatures, which can reach extremes of -45 deg. Celsius. Any suggestions? George. ================================================================ contact George Huxtable by email at george@huxtable.u-net.com, by phone at 01865 820222 (from outside UK, +44 1865 820222), or by mail at 1 Sandy Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK. ================================================================