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    Re: Arificial Horizons and Tea
    From: Vic Fraenckel
    Date: 2003 Jul 11, 21:18 -0400

    FWIW: I have used old motor oil in a 9 X 12 baking pan as an effective
    artifical horizon. It is very black and worked quite well if a little messy.
    Victor Fraenckel - The Windman                 vfraenc1@nycap.rr.com
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Robert Eno" 
    Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:45 PM
    Subject: Re: Arificial Horizons and Tea
    | Eno responds,
    | My job, among other things, involves the management and disposal of
    | hazardous waste. Mercury is right up there with the nasties; worse than
    | and worse than many other substances. Very useful stuff but hazardous when
    | mishandled.
    | I can't cite the literature but some time ago, there was a study conducted
    | on the health of chemistry teachers and anyone else who spent most of
    | working days in chemistry labs. It was found that these professions had
    | higher incidences of minimata disease -- essentially, short circuiting of
    | the nervous system -- and that this was caused by the slow volatilization
    | mercury trapped in the sink drains and cracks in the floor. Most students,
    | when confronted with broken thermometers, would simply hide their sins by
    | flushing the mercury down the drain (guilty as charged), after which it
    | would remain in the sink trap and slowly poison the lab teacher.
    | Mercury is not to be trifled with. In fact it should be avoided. The more
    | you handle it, the more long term risks you take with your health. Stay
    | clear of it. It is simply not worth the risk when there are far superior
    | artificial horizons available.
    | I have used them all: mercury, water, oil, etc. etc. and my vote is for
    | flat black glass artificial horizon. That it is not self-leveling like
    | mercury or tea, is merely an inconvenience; not a serious impediment to
    | accurate position fixing. I much prefer a glass horizon. Mercury, tea, oil
    | and other liquids are simply a pain in the a---. Actually, I prefer a
    | horizon. The old C.Plath is the best ever.
    | As for mercury amalgams, the jury is not out yet. There are many
    | reports and opinions, however, the overall consensus -- based on data from
    | the millions of unwitting guinea pigs (like me) -- seems to be that the
    | mercury amalgams in our fillings do not present a serious risk. They have
    | been used for close to a hundred years and there does not seem to be any
    | evidence of damage to the nervous systems of people with bad teeth.
    | My two bits' worth.
    | Robert Eno
    | >
    | > I suspect that it may be less lethal than John Kabel implies.
    | >
    | > I base this opinion on my childhood at school, where I sat for physics
    | > classes at a laboratory bench. Every hollow and cranny in the wooden
    | > surface of that bench would contain droplets of mercury. When the lesson
    | > became boring, we would do our best to fish them out with a pencil, to
    | > collect enough to coalesce into a blob that was big enough to flick at
    | > friends in the row in front.
    | >
    | > Our reversing-switches would involve electrodes that dipped into open
    | pools
    | > of mercury, We would make barometers that dipped into similar open
    | >
    | > Later, at university, we found a similar environment. We would use
    | > in pint quantities for diffusion-pumps in high-vacuum systems.
    | >
    | > I suspect many physics students from my generation, the world over,
    | > tell a similar story.
    | >
    | > Were we risking our lives? It didn't seems so at the time. I haven't
    | > collected mortality statistics. Were we risking brain damage? Perhaps
    | > that's starting to show, now...
    | >
    | > Now we have our teeth stuffed with amalgam. Does the amalgamation remove
    | > the toxicity? I wonder.
    | >
    | > Somehow I doubt that taking sextant altitudes by exposing for a short
    | > a small pool of mercury, out in the open, where any vapour could blow
    | away,
    | > presents a comparable hazard. But I am quite prepared to be convinced
    | > otherwise, if any real evidence exists. Is John Kabel being
    | > about the danger? Am I being over-casual?
    | >
    | > In other respects, mercury must be the ideal artificial horizon. There's
    | > room for a simple design in plastic for a shallow pool with a sealing
    | > from which the mercury would never need to be removed, with a rim
    | > to trap any overspill, designed with a tripod base. This would be
    | > than the equipment the old explorers had to handle, in which mercury had
    | to
    | > be transferred between a tray and an iron storage vessel with a
    | >
    | > But how available is mercury today? Are there regulations that prevent
    | > and me from acquiring enough mercury to do the job? Do we have to
    | > antique barometers to do so?
    | >
    | > I'm not convinced about the virtues of floating a solid mirror on a
    | > disc-raft on liquid. The liquid and the solid would need to have a
    | > repulsive surface tension between them to ensure blobs wouldn't gather
    | > the sides of the raft. That surface tension would require to be exactly
    | > even around the edges of the disc or the raft would be unbalanced. How
    | > would one prevent the raft from nearing the edges of the container,
    | > would unbalance the surface-tension forces or give rise to friction
    | > would constrain the self-levelling? There are serious problems here
    | > would need resolving.
    | >
    | > George Huxtable.
    | >
    | >
    | > ================================================================
    | > contact George Huxtable by email at george@huxtable.u-net.com, by phone
    | > 01865 820222 (from outside UK, +44 1865 820222), or by mail at 1 Sandy
    | > Lane, Southmoor, Abingdon, Oxon OX13 5HX, UK.
    | > ================================================================
    | >
    | >

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