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    Re: Arg 1 Ww 11 U Boat Navigation Device Ebay Item Number: 370193239339
    From: Jean-Philippe Planas
    Date: 2009 May 22, 10:08 -0700
    At 2500$, I think it will not go.

    --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Wolfgang Köberer <koeberer@navigationsgeschichte.de> wrote:

    From: Wolfgang Köberer <koeberer@navigationsgeschichte.de>
    Subject: [NavList 8373] AW: [NavList 8372] ARG 1 WW 11 U BOAT NAVIGATION DEVICE EBAY Item number: 370193239339
    To: NavList@fer3.com
    Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 6:09 AM

    This is an "Astronomisches Rechengerät" made by Zeiss during WW II. You can
    find a detailed description  by David Charlwood in the "Navigator's
    Newsletter" No. 76 (Summer 2002), p. 10 - 19. Its successor, the ARG 3, was
    still manufactured in East Germany in the 60s and its use taught in the
    standard East German manual.

    The price of the item on ebay is outrageous in my opinion; a similar item
    went for less than 200 Euros a year or 2 ago (though that was underprized, I
    think). If you want to have a look at one visit the Royal Navy Submarine
    Collections (shelf No. Q35/27/84). The NMM also owns one, but it is in

    By the way, whatever happened to the Navigator's Newsletter? The last issue
    I received was "Spring 2008" and never heard anything afterwards.


    Dr. Wolfgang Köberer
    Wolfsgangstr. 92
    D-60322 Frankfurt am Main
    Tel: + 49 69 95520851
    Fax: + 49 69 558400
    e-mail: koeberer@navigationsgeschichte.de

    -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: NavList@fer3.com [mailto:NavList@fer3.com] Im Auftrag
    von NavList@fer3.com
    Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Mai 2009 10:49
    An: NavList@fer3.com
    Betreff: [NavList 8372] ARG 1 WW 11 U BOAT NAVIGATION DEVICE EBAY Item
    number: 370193239339


    does anyone know what this device is and how it works?  Not looking to buy
    it, just understand it.



    the ebay blurb is below:

    Here's a rare 100% genuine WWII German ARG-1 (Astronomisches Rechengerat 1)
    celestial navigation instrument by Carl Zeiss Jena. This late 1940's war
    issue was first used by the Luftwaffe, then after naval trials, adopted for
    use in German U-boats. This instrument is part of a collection whose history
    suggests it was removed from the long-range U-boat type IXD Ex-German U-873
    that had surrendered to US Naval Forces sometime in 1945. The celestial
    computer is in excellent used condition and is 100% original. Its body is of
    Bakelite construction and its original electrical cord is attached. It has
    an illuminated glass screen and there are four original bulbs located in a
    small storage compartment within the original storage box (see picture). The
    microscope eyepiece with adjustable cross hair is in great shape as
    pictured. The box is sturdy in all respects however its age wear is apparent
    in the pictures provided. There are two original paper labels affixed to the
    inside of the box as shown. Please note the small storage compartment that
    houses the four bulbs as mentioned earlier. There is no manual or operating
    instructions in this sale. The ARG-1 instrument has not been tested. Please
    review the pictures provided for condition. 
    [Sent from archive by: rkputty-AT-westnet.com.au]

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