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    Re: An experimental Navigation list
    From: Frank Reed CT
    Date: 2006 Apr 12, 20:11 EDT

    Alex E wrote:
    "I just looked at  this
    'Experimental navigation list'
    and I don't think this was a good  idea."
    But you didn't even sign up. How could you experiment with  it?
    "Our old list was not so bad, after all.
    Ok, few messages were  delayed or even lost,
    but this does not happen frequently, does  it?"
    Yes, it does, Alex. The list was completely dead for 48 hours last  week
    (with no indication of how long it would be down). The archive and our  e-mail
    inboxes were flooded with bizarre echo posts from months ago.The archive  missed
    over a week of messages recently because it was accidentally  unsubscribed.
    And this is not the first time for any of these events. A lot of  this also
    happened six months ago.
    And you wrote:
    "I tried to register  for this new list
    and was immediately asked about some Google  account,
    password etc. So I strongly prefer to stay in
    the old list while  it exists."
    This is NOT correct. You can sign up for the google list as  an e-mail
    subscriber EXACTLY the way that you sign up for the present  Navigation-L. If you
    ALSO want to post on the boards (via the web interface)  then you simply enter
    your present e-mail address and select a password. No  google account is
    required under any circumstance. The password is required only  for the web
    interface. But... just so I'm clear on this then... you didn't  actually look at the
    experimental list. You saw something asking you to create a  password and left.
    Is that right?
    "And I think that there are noo  good reasons for
    having two lists on exactly the same topic, same
    members  etc. There was no substantial split in the interests
    in this group, and the  group is quite small, so why to start
    a second list?"
    Alex, once upon  a time, you personally were posting hundreds of messages in
    one month. But you  don't follow this list closely now. So let me just ask you
    this: did you receive  the post entitled "compute suns position" a few days
    ago? It was a post asking  for help with the mathematics of calculating
    positions of Solar System objects.  Most people did not receive it. The archive has
    no copy of it. How do you  suppose the person who posted that feels? This is
    the ONLY function a discussion  mailing list is supposed to do with some degree
    of accuracy: distribute  messages. If it doesn't do that, then isn't it time
    to find another server?
    "I am also in favor of "no attachments" policy of the old  list."
    This policy is a non-policy. It is generally not possible for Dan  Hogan or
    any other list "owner" to prevent attachments to any unmoderated  list.
    "But the greatest loss from my point of view will be  the
    archive of the old list. Even if it will not be lost completely,
    I  think it is important to keep it publicly available.
    Without any passwords,  accounts etc."
    What are you worried about?? Who said the list archive was  going away? The
    archive on i-DEADLINK-com is not maintained by anyone on this list,  and it can be
    removed permanently on a moment's notice but as far as I know, no  one is
    planning to do that. I like having a list archive very much. In fact, two  would be
    better than one. But any "archive" scarcely deserves the name if it has
    gaping holes in it and misses 1 or 2% of messages every  month.
    42.0N 87.7W, or 41.4N  72.1W.

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