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    Re: An experimental Navigation List
    From: Frank Reed CT
    Date: 2006 Apr 12, 20:08 EDT

    Alex E, you wrote:
    "Sorry, I did not follow  this discussion from the beginning,
    but I see that there is a motion to move  the list to another
    server (or to start another list).
    My main concern  is:
    "What will happen to the archive of this current list???"
    I think it  will be a great loss if this archive will stop
    to be publicly available at  some point.
    It should be preserved."
    The archive on i-DEADLINK-com is simply  one individual's helpful contribution to
    the net. It's not owned by Dan Hogan or  controlled by him. It's not connected
    with webkahuna or controlled by them. So  it can disappear at any time, and
    none of us can affect that except by asking  the owner of i-DEADLINK-com to "keep up
    the good work". Dan Allen has kept a long and  extensive personal arhive of the
    list, and we could convert this into a  historical archive similar in style
    to the one on i-DEADLINK-com (I think we should).  More generally, modern discussion
    group services, as on google, come with a  message board functionality
    built-in. This serves as its own archive. Have a  look at it here:
    (following this  link does not commit you to signing up). The list
    distributes in the usual way,  as e-mails, and ALSO allows direct replies via the web
    The  archive on i-DEADLINK-com has suffered the same problems that members of the
    list have  been dealing with. Between 1 and 2% (by my estimate) of messages
    sent to the  list do not appear in the archive, and likewise when we follow the
    list by  e-mail some percentage of messages of about the same order of
    magnitude do not  reach us. Occasionally the archive misses long stretches of
    messages. Just a few  weeks ago, the e-mail address for the archive was accidentally
    removed from the  subscriber list (the same thing happened to Fred Hebard) and
    was not  re-subscribed for over a week. The messages sent during that time
    were  interesting, and if you check up on the list by looking in the archive, as
    I  often do, then you've missed them for good (and you will never know that!
    And  you will turn up a week or two later saying, 'what's all the fuss? there's
     nothing wrong...'). The archive also contains a bunch of "echo posts" that
    were  sent months ago and then re-distributed in a little explosion last month.
    As I  noted previously, different list recipients appear to have received
    different  echo posts, and the posts from months back that appeared last week in
    my e-mail  inbox are not the same as the ones that turned up the same day on
    i-DEADLINK-com. More  or less the same thing happened about six months ago. None of
    this is normal. It  doesn't have to be this way...
    A majority of the recent posters to  Navigation-L have now signed up to
    NavList (27 out of the 50 e-mail addresses  who posted to this list in the past
    sixty days). And the total number of unique  addresses signed up is 48 (the
    additional 21 may be lurkers from the list but  also include at least a couple of
    people who have stumbled upon it through  google. Traffic has been
    (intentionally) light.
    42.0N 87.7W, or  41.4N 72.1W.

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